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julian Halls

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just to let you know There is a marshall on site supervising access but so far not too many queues



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I went yesterday. Average age of people there.... 70 - 75. One man took only a Tesco bag of grass clippings. 

I know they are allowed out, but one of the main reasons the country is locked down is to protect our older more vulnerable people, and they give so much of a dam they are clogging up the tip because they are desperate to go out!



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Not all 70-75's are vulnerable and shielding, and if safe, have as much right to visit the tip as everyone else. Many people who are vulnerable are younger than 75. Let's not moan about the elderly, it's hard enough for everyone, even under a semi-lockdown.



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Not all 70-75's are vulnerable and shielding, and if safe, have as much right to visit the tip as everyone else. Many people who are vulnerable are younger than 75. Let's not moan about the elderly, it's hard enough for everyone, even under a semi-lockdown.


 Over 70’s were specifically asked to shield. so actually you are wrong. Your response is typical of the attitude of people who think the rules do not apply to them. no different to people who refuse to socially distance because they feel fine. 

Millions of people, most of which would be perfectly fine if they caught the virus are in lockdown to help protect the vulnerable, your response is a slap in the face to them and the key workers putting themselves at risk, because no one is going to tell stubborn old people what to do. 



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Them? They? 70+ year olds are allowed to go out for exercise. Going to the tip can be classed as getting exercise.



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My partner and I went today and after 20 minutes or so we got in - very well organised and “policed”.  Incidentally the majority of people queuing in cars whilst we were there were middle aged (our age).

Everyone of all ages are entitled to use the recycling centre - have some compassion in our “new normal”



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Them? They? 70+ year olds are allowed to go out for exercise. Going to the tip can be classed as getting exercise.


 Another typical answer from someone who is going to do whatever they want to do because rules do not apply to them. You know full well that going to the tip is not your daily exercise.

the original advice is perfectly clear. Stay at home unless you have to go to work because you can’t work from home, to buy food or for a medical reason, or for exercise. People over 70 or vulnerable people should stay home for 12 weeks. Now you can go for exercise or to work, but over70’s still should be at home.

which part of that says older people can go out for a drive or to the tip because they feel fine, and besides other younger people might be more unhealthy than me (probably true I accept) . Make all the excuses you like, if you are over 70 then you are more at risk and the rest of the country has been sacrificing their freedom to PROTECT YOU. Being stubborn and going for a trundle to the tip because ‘no one is going to tell me what to do’ is an insult to others who are doing their bit - FOR YOU

 

older people are at more risk. You are more likely to die if you get it. Do as you are told.



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“Do as you are told”. No thank you. Now the lockdown has been eased, many people are out and about trying to get the economy moving. Exercise does not just mean going for a long walk or run or going to a boring gym. Most old people do not do workouts. Gently working in the garden and getting out and about, like going to the tip, is good for physical and mental health. Don’t you worry about the old folk. They know they’re more at risk. Governments just pretend to care about old people, but they never have because most are economically inactive. International travel has not stopped so why should old people be stopped from popping out to the tip. Younger people should want to protect older people, most of whom have worked all their lives, paid taxes etc. Some fought to protect the freedoms younger people enjoy today. If more younger people spent more time indoors like the old folk, did less sunbathing in public places, wore face coverings etc, we would all be safer. Stay safe and carry on.



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“Do as you are told”. No thank you. Now the lockdown has been eased, many people are out and about trying to get the economy moving. Exercise does not just mean going for a long walk or run or going to a boring gym. Most old people do not do workouts. Gently working in the garden and getting out and about, like going to the tip, is good for physical and mental health. Don’t you worry about the old folk. They know they’re more at risk. Governments just pretend to care about old people, but they never have because most are economically inactive. International travel has not stopped so why should old people be stopped from popping out to the tip. Younger people should want to protect older people, most of whom have worked all their lives, paid taxes etc. Some fought to protect the freedoms younger people enjoy today. If more younger people spent more time indoors like the old folk, did less sunbathing in public places, wore face coverings etc, we would all be safer. Stay safe and carry on.


So the rules just apply to other people then. How selfish, but at least you paid taxes which gives you a free pass. FYI The lockdown has not been eased for the over 70’s.

it’s not about freedom and payment of tax, it’s about protecting yourself and the others you will infect and the additional burden  you will place on the NHS because you are more likely to need considerable extra support if you become ill. I can’t see why you can’t get that through your head! 



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FYI, the lockdown rules apply to everyone. The over 70's rule is for guidance only. If any group needs protecting it's BAME. You got a problem with keeping that group at home? What about Jeremy Corbyn? You need to be more tolerant of the elderly who are more likely to be infected by younger people who will almost certainly survive any infection. Just keep social distancing, get back to work and stop looking for trouble. Older people have been paying for the NHS all their life so they can jolly well use it if they need to. They probably wouldn't be given a ventilator anyway. BTW, I haven't even been to the tip but am defending the elderly who choose to go.



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FYI, the lockdown rules apply to everyone. The over 70's rule is for guidance only. If any group needs protecting it's BAME. You got a problem with keeping that group at home? What about Jeremy Corbyn? You need to be more tolerant of the elderly who are more likely to be infected by younger people who will almost certainly survive any infection. Just keep social distancing, get back to work and stop looking for trouble. Older people have been paying for the NHS all their life so they can jolly well use it if they need to. They probably wouldn't be given a ventilator anyway. BTW, I haven't even been to the tip but am defending the elderly who choose to go.


 ’i have paid for it so I will use it’ - perhaps you should get that printed on a shirt for when you go to the N&N or go clapping on Thursday, celebrating the people risking their lives to look after us. 

BAME over 70, sure, they should, and as our friend Jeremy is also over 70 he should stay in as well. I am not qualified to advise BAME under 70’s but I find it deeply concerning they seem to be disproportionately adversely affected, I’m not sure how that can be managed. what I am sure of is, certain groups of people have been specifically advised to stay in because they are at higher risk of serious complications and death. And refusing to follow that instruction (not advice if you remember from the news conference) because you consider it an infringement of your liberty is selfish, you are no better than the morons in the US and now London (including Jeremy’s brother) who are protesting against the lockdown. 

the rules apply to everyone, not just ‘other people’, even if they have paid their tax all their lives. (i dread to think what a month on a ventilator in an induced coma costs, but It won’t be cheap, when you consider someone on average salary in the uk will pay Around £1500 a year in tax, so about 60k in todays money over a lifetime give or take, your i paid tax all my life’ point is quickly burnt through) - it’s not about the money, it’s about protecting people, and unfortunately some people need more protection than others. 



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I’d get that T-shirt printed and wear it but I’d be mobbed by people like you as the NHS is seen as a demigod. FYI, the ONS has published stats (for men as there is more data) shows the risk of dying from COVID amongst NHS workers is no higher than the general population.

https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1259786758365097985

The NHS has become a bloated organisation. It’s the fifth largest employer in the world with a budget bigger than the GDP of some countries. A lot of people paid huge salaries for stuff nothing to do with healthcare. It should be cut down in size and have money diverted to the front line (doctors and nurses - not layers of managers, equality and diversity officers etc.) It’s a very inefficient system that acts like a business and money counts because it’s all paid for by the taxpayer or by borrowing that younger people will have to repay, not the old folk. Think on that.

I’ll only clap if it was inclusive of ALL key workers like carers, supermarket/corner shop workers, delivery drivers, cleaners, dustmen …and tip marshals like those at Ketteringham recycling tip, which is what started all this. People who are more at risk of dying from COVID.

You could not be more contradictory in your BAME analysis. You’re hinting at positive discrimination for BAME. ALL BAME should stay at home by your reckoning if you’re concerned about vulnerable people, but you know younger BAME would not do so, but is that OK? ‘Jeremy’ is not my friend. You need to calm down and consider the fact that many have also thought this through intellectually and have arrived at different conclusions to you.

You can’t protect people without money. Keep safe and carry on.N

Nothing more to say. I might visit the tip later with one carrier bag. Bye.



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I vowed right from the start of this pandemic that I would make no recriminations.    I feel that many of the restrictions have been irrational :  golf could be played with two people, tennis could certainly have been played, churches should have been open many weeks ago.    In the face of such irrationality, I stand by my no recriminations mode. The old chap with his bag of grass cuttings was very important to him.



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I’d get that T-shirt printed and wear it but I’d be mobbed by people like you as the NHS is seen as a demigod. FYI, the ONS has published stats (for men as there is more data) shows the risk of dying from COVID amongst NHS workers is no higher than the general population.

https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1259786758365097985

The NHS has become a bloated organisation. It’s the fifth largest employer in the world with a budget bigger than the GDP of some countries. A lot of people paid huge salaries for stuff nothing to do with healthcare. It should be cut down in size and have money diverted to the front line (doctors and nurses - not layers of managers, equality and diversity officers etc.) It’s a very inefficient system that acts like a business and money counts because it’s all paid for by the taxpayer or by borrowing that younger people will have to repay, not the old folk. Think on that.

I’ll only clap if it was inclusive of ALL key workers like carers, supermarket/corner shop workers, delivery drivers, cleaners, dustmen …and tip marshals like those at Ketteringham recycling tip, which is what started all this. People who are more at risk of dying from COVID.

You could not be more contradictory in your BAME analysis. You’re hinting at positive discrimination for BAME. ALL BAME should stay at home by your reckoning if you’re concerned about vulnerable people, but you know younger BAME would not do so, but is that OK? ‘Jeremy’ is not my friend. You need to calm down and consider the fact that many have also thought this through intellectually and have arrived at different conclusions to you.

You can’t protect people without money. Keep safe and carry on.N

Nothing more to say. I might visit the tip later with one carrier bag. Bye.


 You should probably calm down and read what you have written... and try not to thump your keyboard so hard, you could break it.



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WHAT A LOAD OF RUBBISH !!!!!!



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With all this fervour over the Kettingham tip, dare I ask if Wymondham tip is going to open?

 



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