As a community we have lost the art of talking face to face with each other,tomorrow when you see some one from the village ask them if they are OK.Start the old fashion way of life again.We are a small knit community and we should stay that way,support our local pub food or not and keep talking
If this new owner rumour is true I am pleased for Ruth and Tony but will be very sad that they are leaving, as they are very generous to the Village and work hard in the background for the Village.
I've heard that too. It's someone local to the village.
if they lower the prices slightly, they may get more of the village eating there. A village pub should be available to the whole village and not just the ones that can afford a £14 burger ( ...edited...)
Wishing the new owner the very best of luck
-- Edited by webstation on Wednesday 28th of October 2015 11:54:12 AM
Always enjoyed visiting The Boars. Ruth and Tony have created a beautiful place to spend time. I must agree about the pricing though. We would have loved to have frequented more, but we had to limit trips due to the overall cost.
We wish Ruth and Tony well as they always made us feel so welcome.x
I suspect the owners might have acquired the pub with the intention of allowing it to fail,making case for it not being financially viable and then converting to one or multiple homes. Is it registered as a community asset? If not then it should be.
a defintion of a community asset for those who do not know :-
This new right means communities can ask the council to list certain assets as being of value to the community. If an asset is listed and then comes up for sale, the new right will give communities that want it 6 months to put together a bid to buy it. This gives communities an increased chance to save much loved shops, pubs or other local facilities.
Parish councils or local community groups can nominate both privately and publicly owned assets which meet the definition of community value.
A building or land in a Council’s area must be listed as an asset of community value if:
current primary use of the building/land or use of the building/land in the recent past furthers the social well-being or social interests (cultural, recreational, or sporting interests) of the local community
it is realistic to think that now or in the next five years there could continue to be primary use of the building/land which will further the social well-being or social interests of the local community (whether or not in the same way as before)
Owners of listed assets cannot dispose of them without:
letting the local authority know that they intend to sell the asset or grant a lease of more than 25 years
waiting until the end of a six week ‘interim moratorium’ period if the local authority does not receive a request from a community interest group to be treated as a potential bidder
waiting until the end of a six month ‘full moratorium’ period if the local authority does receive a request from a community interest group to be treated as a potential bidder
The owner does not have to sell the asset to the community group.
There is also a ‘protected period’ (18 months from the time that the owner notified the local authority of their intention to dispose of the asset) – during this time there can be no further moratoriums.
The key to this is to first list, but if there is a 'community ' who wants to bid ( buy) then no problem BUT the owner does not have to sell to the community group , so a bit of an odd 'right'
What do you as a community think ?? The Parish ( Town) might not be interested but as a community group , say the residents of Spooner row, Suton and Wattlefield could ask the District to list the Boars but I guess they would ask if there is such a group, who might be prepared to bid, if and only if the Boars came up for sale with a view to being changed. Sadly it is no guarantee that it will not happen anyway .
Let me know please or perhaps let the Village Hall committee know who could possibly faciltate a community group BUT I suspect that beyond that they could not get involved.
Readers will have worked out that this is not as straightforward as it would initially appear and I can, if asked by enough persons ask the Town to do this as our Parish Council but they will probably want to know what the level of support is before they sanction a letter to District to ask.
My opinion is that if it delays the sale of the pub to a developer type who wants to buy it up cheap, run it down as a business and then get change of use (FROM THE COUNCIL) to convert it (or more likely demolish it to build more ugly new houses) then good. I hope someone with an interest in the village, who supports the village and wants the pub to thrive (which it has done for many years and is well respected far and wide) gets to buy the pub.
My opinion is that if it delays the sale of the pub to a developer type who wants to buy it up cheap, run it down as a business and then get change of use (FROM THE COUNCIL) to convert it (or more likely demolish it to build more ugly new houses) then good. I hope someone with an interest in the village, who supports the village and wants the pub to thrive (which it has done for many years and is well respected far and wide) gets to buy the pub.
Who has dremt up this developer rubbish? Do you just sit there and make up new house scare stories to worry the locals? What with this and the supposed infiltration of the notice board by council supporters and employees, not to forget outsider developers, you lot are loosing your minds.
Who has dremt up this developer rubbish? Do you just sit there and make up new house scare stories to worry the locals? What with this and the supposed infiltration of the notice board by council supporters and employees, not to forget outsider developers, you lot are loosing your minds.
Dreamt up?...losing your mind (as opposed to tightening your mind)? I think you need a spell checker. More than 50 new houses destined for our tiny village through the actions of greedy developers and landowners is not a dream (for us), it's a sad fact. My so-called "scare story" about the possible fate of pubs is something that has been reported widely to have happened elsewhere in the country and we don't want it happening to our pub, thank you.
You are becoming obsessed with these developers and the council. Yes there are some houses being built, and I would prefer them not to be, but progress is something we cannot stop. This however does not mean evil developers are buying the pub, and saying this sort of thing only worries people. Some people in the village know who is currently in the process of buying the pub, and they know why, and they also know why you should not worry. It is not my place to publicise this information here.
I agree with the previous post. This type of talk would delay the sale of the pub to another pub owner. It has got nothing to do with developers so I would say stop this silly talk about the future of the pub.
You are becoming obsessed with these developers and the council. Yes there are some houses being built, and I would prefer them not to be, but progress is something we cannot stop. This however does not mean evil developers are buying the pub, and saying this sort of thing only worries people. Some people in the village know who is currently in the process of buying the pub, and they know why, and they also know why you should not worry. It is not my place to publicise this information here.
You are clearly someone who is obsessed with development and their close knit relationships with the council. If the new owner of the pub is buying it because you know they want to put all their efforts into it so it continues to develop to be a successful pub, then the owner has a vested interest to post something on here. You seem to know who that person is so you can contact them directly to make them aware of this. The situation could be worse. Some developers buy up old pubs then demolish them and do land banking, leaving the site an eyesore for years while the land simply increases in value. This has happened to pubs in Norwich. I heard that the loss of our village shop years ago went exactly the same way - it was purchased by someone, the shop failed, it's use was changed to residential, the house was sold and the person moved out the village. Net result - we have no shop in the village. Someone needs to stand up to these people who are self-obsessed with making their own money at any cost and try and stop it before it happens. It's upsetting residents and destroying communities. We'll just end up with loads of houses and no community assets and the developers will just leave the area with their dirty money safe in the bank to reinvest and destroy more communities. If the pub is staying as a pub I will gladly shake the new owners hand, use the pub and encourage others to do the same.
You are becoming obsessed with these developers and the council. Yes there are some houses being built, and I would prefer them not to be, but progress is something we cannot stop. This however does not mean evil developers are buying the pub, and saying this sort of thing only worries people. Some people in the village know who is currently in the process of buying the pub, and they know why, and they also know why you should not worry. It is not my place to publicise this information here.
You are clearly someone who is obsessed with development and their close knit relationships with the council. If the new owner of the pub is buying it because you know they want to put all their efforts into it so it continues to develop to be a successful pub, then the owner has a vested interest to post something on here. You seem to know who that person is so you can contact them directly to make them aware of this. The situation could be worse. Some developers buy up old pubs then demolish them and do land banking, leaving the site an eyesore for years while the land simply increases in value. This has happened to pubs in Norwich. I heard that the loss of our village shop years ago went exactly the same way - it was purchased by someone, the shop failed, it's use was changed to residential, the house was sold and the person moved out the village. Net result - we have no shop in the village. Someone needs to stand up to these people who are self-obsessed with making their own money at any cost and try and stop it before it happens. It's upsetting residents and destroying communities. We'll just end up with loads of houses and no community assets and the developers will just leave the area with their dirty money safe in the bank to reinvest and destroy more communities. If the pub is staying as a pub I will gladly shake the new owners hand, use the pub and encourage others to do the same.
You are becoming obsessed with these developers and the council. Yes there are some houses being built, and I would prefer them not to be, but progress is something we cannot stop. This however does not mean evil developers are buying the pub, and saying this sort of thing only worries people. Some people in the village know who is currently in the process of buying the pub, and they know why, and they also know why you should not worry. It is not my place to publicise this information here.
You are clearly someone who is obsessed with development and their close knit relationships with the council. If the new owner of the pub is buying it because you know they want to put all their efforts into it so it continues to develop to be a successful pub, then the owner has a vested interest to post something on here. You seem to know who that person is so you can contact them directly to make them aware of this. The situation could be worse. Some developers buy up old pubs then demolish them and do land banking, leaving the site an eyesore for years while the land simply increases in value. This has happened to pubs in Norwich. I heard that the loss of our village shop years ago went exactly the same way - it was purchased by someone, the shop failed, it's use was changed to residential, the house was sold and the person moved out the village. Net result - we have no shop in the village. Someone needs to stand up to these people who are self-obsessed with making their own money at any cost and try and stop it before it happens. It's upsetting residents and destroying communities. We'll just end up with loads of houses and no community assets and the developers will just leave the area with their dirty money safe in the bank to reinvest and destroy more communities. If the pub is staying as a pub I will gladly shake the new owners hand, use the pub and encourage others to do the same.
You need help.....
So does the rest of the village - from people like you. You have chosen to ignore my comments, which suggests unless I hear otherwise, my comments are still valid.
If you think that the Village needs a shop why don't you set one up with your own money. The shop closed because there was enough people in the Village to support it. Perhaps you could also buy the pub. In the meantime, hands off the Boars.
I am not concerned about development. A handful of houses in the village will not have a significantly adverse affect. However, I am concerned about the loss of a community asset. The pub will not survive as a watering hole not serving food. I cannot understand or think of any viable business reason behibd the decision to stop serving food. The pub will fail if it only offers drinks. i would love to buy it and keep it open as a successful business but it's not that straightforward!
I genuinely worry for your sanity and heath. It is very obvious that the upcoming developments are worrying you greatly because it seems to be all you speak about.
This thread started because someone was concerned that the Boars had suddenly stopped serving food, it quickly degenerated into YET ANOTHER thread about developers wanting to knock down the pub and build ugly houses there, by way of accusing people of being either employees of, or at least supporters of the hated council ( hated because they are the ones who are forced to allow houses to be built by the way).Every single thread on this notice board goes exactly the same way, I strongly suspect that it is the same people saying the same thing over and over and over again. We get it, you don't want any houses.
But you need to understand that throwing these random accusations around which have seemingly no basis in fact have the ability to negatively affect people. I don't know why the pub is for sale, but i suspect there is a important reason which means it needs to be done sooner rather than later, and your nonsense is not helping the matter. It also causes undue stress for others in the village who take what you say to be fact. It had honestly never occurred to me that someone would buy the pub to develop it, now it is something else to worry about. Your total obsession with evil developers just whips others into a frenzy and the ball just gets rolling even faster.
I had a think about it and can only remember 1 house actually being built (next to the school?) in the last 10 years anyway, how are you going to handle the 50 odd houses are currently scheduled to be built here, they are coming and there is nothing we can do to stop them. We need to get on board and fight the battles we can win. If there are 50 more houses built, it makes it much more likely the pub will survive in its current or improved form, there may even be a case to open a shop. The Spooner Row grapevine has all the information you need about who is buying the pub, and why, and what it will look like in the future. Please consider that thoughtless comments and community asset talk will jepordise that process which will ultimately harm the owners further.
Finally, what benefit would there be of a community asset anyway? The pub was for sale for ages anyway, and no one from the village came up with the money to buy it anyway.
No I don't work for or support the council, I am not a developer, nor do i stand to benefit in any way from any kind of development.
I posted the previous comment about my fears about the pub. I am not the same person as the individual who posted previously. Do not assume that all comments are coming from the same person. I am concerned about the decision to stop serving food, I am concerned about the possibility that the pub will close, I couldn't care less what the pub was changed to and I couldn't care less if 50 more houses were built. My point remains that I am keen to protect the pub and to prevent it closing. My custom alone cannot do that; which is why I mentioned the community asset idea. It is actually the last poster who is obsessed about defending homes being built. I repeat- I don't mind homes being built and I am the person who raised the community asset idea; not the poster who responded!
I posted the previous comment about my fears about the pub. I am not the same person as the individual who posted previously. Do not assume that all comments are coming from the same person. I am concerned about the decision to stop serving food, I am concerned about the possibility that the pub will close, I couldn't care less what the pub was changed to and I couldn't care less if 50 more houses were built. My point remains that I am keen to protect the pub and to prevent it closing. My custom alone cannot do that; which is why I mentioned the community asset idea. It is actually the last poster who is obsessed about defending homes being built. I repeat- I don't mind homes being built and I am the person who raised the community asset idea; not the poster who responded!
Apologies, that was not aimed at you, it was aimed at anonymous. It's so difficult with so many people in the village with the same name.
I'm new to this discussion but for one wish any new owners all the luck in the world. When other pubs all over rural areas are under strain or boarded up, it is great somebody wants to keep ours going. Tony and Ruth have been truly amazing custodians of our 'community asset' and leave it in way better shape than when they took it on all those years ago. Yes I remember those days. It is the end of an era and we will miss them enormously on every level, but we need to all get behind a new owner(s) and make the pub continue to be successful and ensure it evolves. That will only happen if ALL local people start to use it regularly... to eat, drink, meet and be merry....and engage with the new owners to suggest what they want the pub to be. If those that only rarely go near the place, those that prefer to go elsewhere because they can save a few quid on a night out by burning the money on petrol instead.. continue to do so....It will disappear and our village will lose a big part of what makes it so special.
Lets all drum up some support here, look on the brighter side and not spread paranoid doom and gloom as it is highly contagious and ultimately fatal. We have a great pub that could become even greater? I'm sure thats what any potential new owner would think too. Mines a Pint!
I agree, I want to keep the Boars as a pub and if that involves registering it as a community asset to safeguard it, then this option will need to be looked at. Who is buying it? No one seems to know.
I agree, I want to keep the Boars as a pub and if that involves registering it as a community asset to safeguard it, then this option will need to be looked at. Who is buying it? No one seems to know.
You just can't help yourself can you. LISTEN TO WHAT OTHERS ARE SAYING.
Someone is trying to buy it, stupid comments like yours are jeopardising this process.
I agree, I want to keep the Boars as a pub and if that involves registering it as a community asset to safeguard it, then this option will need to be looked at. Who is buying it? No one seems to know.
You just can't help yourself can you. LISTEN TO WHAT OTHERS ARE SAYING.
Someone is trying to buy it, stupid comments like yours are jeopardising this process.
Nothing wrong with wanting to keep the pub as a pub.
"hands off the Boars" who is that message aimed out? The locals who want to keep it?
It is aimed at J Halls post 2 days ago. His comments could prevent the sale going through. Hands off The Boars.
What has J Halls got to do with it? He just provided information as to the definition of a Community Asset in response to a concerned resident. And I would like to thank J Halls for keeping locals informed on ALL matters affecting the village. You have got to stop this constant barrage at him, I think you need help as you seemed to be obsessed with the man.
Locals want to keep their pub as a pub and there is nothing wrong with that. In my opinion the over-the-top, aggressive reaction to residents who want to keep their pub is more telling and worrying than anything else.
It is aimed at J Halls post 2 days ago. His comments could prevent the sale going through. Hands off The Boars.
Here we go again. More mind numbingly boring and stupid comments about Julian Halls (see other topics throughout). He does a good job for the village. What positive support do we get from our other elected councillors? not much that I am aware of.
Why has no one posted the potential new owner of the pub? I am looking forward to them making a fantastic job, in the same way as Tony and Ruth. They will be missed.
I have had an offer accepted on a property in Spooner Row. I aim to patronise the pub as frequently as possible. It is important that we support local businesses if they are to have any chance of success.
Has the pub actually closed down? I've driven past it several times recently, at lunchtimes and evenings, and it looked deserted with not a single car in the car park and no lights on.
As a long time, veteran patron of The Boars, I have to say I've found this thread most humorous!
If so many of you are concerned as to the future of the pub and curious as to what was probably a very difficult decision to cease the serving of food, why not pop in to the snug and have a chat with Tony and Ruth and some of the regulars over a pint of winter ale or any other tipple that takes your fancy.
The pub is always open from 17:30 Monday to Saturday and is the only place you will find the answers to your questions. Your presence and patronage, I am certain, will be most welcome.
I note from the Attleborough Mercury that the Boars has been listed as a community asset by CAMRA at South Norfolk. I regret to say, not being a district Councillor that I am not at all sure what happens now, and am not in a position to enquire so will make no further comment.
That's interesting Julian. Looking at previous postings on this theme, there are quite a few hostile comments against you for just providing information on what a community asset is. I expect that our district councillor will let us know what happens now to our local pub as he will be in the know at district council. Well done to The Campaign for Real Ale for supporting The Boars.
Well, you are of course assuming it is a good thing. In reality it may mean it is either open as a pub or closed as a pub, but not able to be anything else. I wonder if this will affect the sale and mortgage ability of the premises going forward. In the same way a section106 means it is very difficult to Sell/buy/mortgage I wonder if CAMRA sticking their nose in a private business's affairs has actually bu@@3red the pub rather than saved it.
so reading the previous posts about community assets it would suggest that CAMRA have not in fact 'saved' the pub from evil developers and will force it to remain a pub, but have seemingly granted us 'the community' the right to club together and buy the pub and run it ourselves. Am I right?
considering how long the pub has been for sale (this bring the second attempt in the last few years) and that there was nothing stopping us from clubbing together in the past, how are we better off by this listing?
seems to me that if there had been the interest, and the money to do this in the past we would have done it, but we didn't.
so we are where we always have been, Tony and Ruth are looking down the barrel of an additional six to eighteen months of stress and a potential lost buyer, and the buyer is likely to be significantly financially out of pocket. I bet they will be well chuffed, with a extra SPECIAL welcome for CAMRA in the future!
Previous postings have said that the potential new owners want to keep running the Boars as a pub, so how does a CAMRA rating put the potential buyer off? It would be an asset for a pub to have that listing.
It's not on line yet. You need to call into the Boars for a glass of excellent wine or a good Ale. sample menus ( including Sunday roasts) are available to peruse.
