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julian halls

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Not a political rant , a request for public opinion please and quickly ( Planning meeting next Tuesday) ragarding proposal to eventually remove and for the meantime switch off street lights on the old A11

The proposal is to switch off and remove the street lamps where they start on the old A11 near to Morley Hall and remove them except at the roundabouts and junctions all the way through to Hethersett just past Colney lane

There is also a proposal to remove switch all together the lights at the crossover onto the A11 by the Wymondham college turn and to the roundabout and Besthorpe road where we nearly meet Morley

Comments please

  1. are you happy with these proposals
  2. are you happy that the Spooner row A11 crossover will have no lights at all at this and the London road junction , despite the fact that the other junctions further down towards Wymondham will retain them?
  3. do you or would you favour a compromise to switch off say at 0200 to 0600 at all junctions
  4. do you have an alternative view

The reason given for this is to reduce carbon footprint, maintenence costs and energy costs. The letter suggests that account has taken into account  likely personal injuries  and environmental benefits and Government advice gets the blame. 18 year saving target would be approx £1.3 Million and 2,070 tonnes saving in CO2

My personal view is that we should be consistent and all junctions should keep lighting although perhaps we could reduce the number of lights at the Spooner row A11 crossover.

Comments as soon as pos please but this does not mean that you cannot comment directly to NCC Community and Environmental Services Mr Campbell Jones E mail contact campbell.jones@norfolk.gov.uk if you wish to do so

 



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Anonymous

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I am not sure if this would affect the slip road coming off the A11 onto the Spooner Row roundabout but I have for some time been concerned that a fatal accident occurred some time ago when somebody drove back down this slip road, even though there was a No Entry sign there.    It would be good if "NO ENTRY" could be actually written across the road here, and also the slip road by the bridge coming out of Attleborough onto the Norwich Road.

As I say, I am not sure if this proposed procedure will affect this particular slip road but it is absolutely essential that lighting remains here.



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Queen St Resident

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I would be happy with lights being consistently retained at all junctions and the crossover but maybe it would be possible to reduce the number of lights or have the number lit reduced in the early hours.  We don't need roads lit their full length as if was orange daylight, just an ambient light to improve visibility and safety at junctions should be adequate for all motorists and pedestrians.

If NCC wanted to dispense with the pointless street lights in Spooner Row, I'd be delighted.



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Julian Halls

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re reading my post it may be unclear exactly where the proposed modifications start in Suton ( my fault and apologies) A better description would be just before Bradmans lane joins London road heading towards Wymondham. The junctions unaffected would be 

the Abbey roundabout

the railway road london road junction

the signal crossing on Harts Farm road

the waitrose roundabout complex , the link to the A11 and including the Tuttles lane roundabout towards Hethersett for a short duration

 

Areas most definitely affected with complete removal

BOTH of the crossover A11 Wymondham College roundabouts in Spooner row including out to and including London road junction , the roundabout off the A11 near the Holbrook Lorry park and along the Besthorpe road

All of the B1172 from about 100 yards east of the Tuttles road roundabout right through Hethersett and past and including the Station road and Colney lane junction

 

Thank you to those who have responded and the side issues I will address after this matter has been considered i.e. removal of pointless street lights and road markings to warn re incorrect access to A11 along the slip road the wrong way

My apologies for the confusion I may have caused. I did the original post in a hurry minutes after receiving the agenda in the post and wouldn't more notice have been nice !!



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Anonymous

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As roads on the outskirts of Spooner Row will be affected, I hope they don't later include Station Road because it joins up with the A11 roundabout.  Station Road with Bunwell Road compose the 'designated HGV route' through this village's residential area - this needs to keep its street lighting.



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Anonymous

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This is a good idea for the reasons stated.

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Anonymous

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Is it not possible to have light censors fitted to the lights so when traffic approaches the lights come on for a set time EG 5 minutes and that would save more money long term.Simple and cost effective.



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Anonymous

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Whilst I can't specifically comment on streetlights I know some types of light consume the majority of their power when coming on. it's actually cheaper to leave them on than it is to turn them off and on again. 

also the proposal refers to maintenance costs being reduced which is probably where the majority of the costs are incurred.



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Anonymous

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A good idea. There is a need to reduce energy costs as well as carbon footprint.

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Anonymous

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Its not just about costs and carbon footprint, I think pedestrian and car safety is of high importance too.



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Anonymous

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If every street light had its own solar panel,maybe one foot square,the lights could be on all night long until the batteries run down,yes I know it costs to put solar panels onto lights but they are used already on motorways in some parts of the country and also in Europe.Initially more cash but then effectively free except for the change of bulbs and how often do these bulbs go.

One should think long term and not short term.The planet needs help by all of us.

Solar panels last on average 25 years so once in place,we can forget about them till 2040



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From the ROSPA website

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A study for the Department for Transport 2 in 2003 found that road safety was perceived as a key benefit for street lighting improvement. In the study, 73% of respondents agreed that 'better street lighting would improve the safety of children, and 63.8% agreed that 'improved street lighting would lead to fewer accidents on the roads'.

Since this study there has been a trend to either switch off or dim street lighting. A study 3 led by researchers from the London school of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine was carried out in 2015 to assess the impact of this practice. Researchers analysed 14 years of data from 62 local authorities who had implemented light reducing measures including reducing the number of lights switched on, dimming lights and LED lamp upgrades. To assess the road safety implications all roads in the participating authorities were examined, looking at: lighting used and the number of traffic collisions that happened at night relative to the day between 2000-13.The study concluded that there was no evidence of an association between reduced lighting and night-time collisions across England and Wales.

A further study 4 undertaken by the same academic body in 2015 provides an insight in to the public's perception of the importance of street lighting. This research looked at the determinants of health and wellbeing in relation to switching off and dimming of street lighting. Eight local authorities that had carried out, or were planning, a range of reduced lighting measures at night were chosen for the study. Quality data analysis was undertaken with residents' views being collected through interviews, transcripts, field notes, documentary data and open comments on questionnaires.

The report concluded that in a random sample of the population in affected and non-affected streets, there was little evidence that the introduction of part-night lighting had made significant differences to wellbeing, except in residents' feelings of personal security. Even where there were strongly held views or anxieties few reported direct impacts on outcomes such as mobility.

 

http://www.rospa.com/road-safety/advice/roads/street-lighting/



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It would appear that the person who wrote the post above has been selective in what he/she has chosen to write giving an overly safe bias on what the report actually said.  I visited the suggested ROSPA website link and it does not give a foregone safety conclusion as it also says,

"However, there is the danger that an unconsidered removal or reduction in quality could actually increase accidents and their severity"  and

"Accident rates should be monitored to ensure that sacrificing the quality of lighting does not unduly increase the risk. Increases in risk may ultimately lead to lives being lost."

The ROSOA report also says, 

"Driving outside of daylight hours is more dangerous – only a quarter of all travel by car drivers is between the hours of 7pm and 8am, yet this period accounts for 40% of fatal and serious injuries to the same group . Pedestrians and vulnerable road users suffer from decreased visibility in the dark too. For these reason, ways of reducing the risk to all road users during the hours of darkness must be found. (Source, Night-time accidents, a scoping study: Report to the AA Trust: H Ward et al UCL)."

 



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Julian halls

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Thank you to all who have contributed to this discussion

I will of course do my best to represent your views but please be aware that I sit in a committee of 5 and that majority decisions have to be accepted ALTHOUGH anyone who has an opinion can attend the Planning meeting 1800 at the town Council office on Tuesday 3rd November where you will be given the opportunity to comment

You can also make your views known directly to the County Councillor Mr Colin Foulger or indirectly to the Lighting Technician Mr Campbell James ( e mail as given above in early posts)

Whoever posted the ROSPA position thank you

I will continue to collate your views up to when the meeting is held



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