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Steven

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Below are the details from the promoter for the development of the field running along the railway line and across the river bays behind Chapel Road and next to the station: 

GNLP0447

Promoter details: Miss Justine Bailey Barton

 

Willmore

 

South

Norfolk

 

Wymondham Land north of Station

 

Road, adjacent to

 

station and railway

 

line, Spooner Row

 

6.84 Residential, public open space, SUDs and potential car park for

 

the train station. Net developable area: 2.93 ha (59 - 88

 

dwellings) . Public open space: 3.92 ha for wetland habitats.

 



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Anonymous

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Steven, is there a web link for this, please? 



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Steven

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http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:xaoNGuKxpOsJ:www.greaternorwichgrowth.org.uk/dmsdocument/2185+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk

 

Has details of all of the sites submitted across all of Norfolk.



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Anonymous

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Well found, Steven.

Seems to be a lot of land put forward for Spooner Row. Whether these sites are considered or not, depends on whether the GNDP 'forward planners' intend to include Spooner Row for large scale development? My opinion is that because Spooner Row has appeared on their agenda (just as an idea), it will stay there.  Once this type of idea happens they will display very little flexibility to what any of us want. 

Land next to Gonville Hall, Suton has been put forward for another 500 dwellings. It has only just received approval for 375 dwellings. 



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Julian Halls

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Spooner row and Suton and near Suton sites..................  Many thanks to Steven for this

Greater Norwich Local Plan: Call for Sites – Schedule of Sites Submitted in South Norfolk

GNLP0320 Mr Will Wright Savills

South Norfolk

Wymondham

Land south of Gonville Hall Farm, West of Suton Lane, east of London Road and

north of Sawyers Lane

37 Residential-led development of approx. 500 dwellings.

 

GNLP0354 Mr Paul White Atkins Ltd.

South Norfolk

Wymondham

Land at Johnson's Farm, north and south of London Road

15.32 Residential development of approx. 400 dwellings, school, community facilities and public open space

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GNLP0444 Miss Justine Bailey

Barton Willmore

South Norfolk

Wymondham

Land west of Bunwell Road, Spooner Row

3.64 Residential development, public open space, SUDs, play area and meadow. Net developable area: 2.45ha (44 - 61 dwellings) and public open space: 1.19ha

 

GNLP0445 Miss Justine Bailey

Barton Willmore

South Norfolk

Wymondham

Land south of Station Road, adjacent to railway line at Spooner Row 4.08 Residential development, public open space, community orchards, SUDs and play area. Net developable area: 2.16 ha (39 - 54 dwellings). Public open space: 1.92 ha

 

GNLP0446 Miss Justine Bailey

Barton Willmore

South Norfolk

Wymondham

Land between Guiler’s Lane and Chapel Road, Spooner Row 0.94 Residential, public open space, SUDs and possible village shop. Net developable area: 0.45 ha (4 - 5 dwellings). Public open space: 0.49 ha. Potential for a village shop

 

GNLP0447 Miss Justine Bailey

Barton Willmore

South Norfolk

Wymondham

Land north of Station Road, adjacent to station and railway line, Spooner Row 6.84 Residential, public open space, SUDs and potential car park for the train station. Net developable area: 2.93 ha (59 – 88 dwellings) . Public open space: 3.92 ha for wetland habitats. Potential for a car park for the train station.

 

GNLP0448 Miss Justine Bailey

Barton Willmore

South Norfolk

Wymondham

Land east and west of School Lane, Spooner Row 4.13 Residential, public open space, potential for school expansion and allotments. Net developable area: 1.50 ha (27 - 38

dwellings). Potential for school expansion and allotments - 2.63ha

 

GNLP0567 Mr Hamish Lampp Durrants

South Norfolk

Wymondham

Land south of Station Road, Spooner Row 0.79 Residential development of approx. 10-15 dwellings

 

GNLP0404 Mrs Sarah Hornbrook

Ingleton Wood LLP

South Norfolk

Wymondham (Spooner Row)

Land to the south-east of Chapel Road, Spooner Row 0.76 Residential development of approx. 12-15 dwellings, as an extension to the planning consent 13 dwellings (2012/2016/O

and 2014/2472/RM)

 

 

GNLP0568 Mr Hamish Lampp Durrants

South Norfolk Wymondham

(Spooner Row)

Land between Station Road & Top Common ,Spooner Row

0.9 Residential development of approx. 10 dwellings

 

GNLP0569 Mr Hamish Lampp Durrants

South Norfolk

Wymondham(Spooner Row)

Land between Bunwell Road & Queen's Street, Spooner Row

0.68 Residential development of approx. 5-8 dwellings

 

GNLP0227 Mrs Renata Garfoot

South Norfolk Council

South Norfolk Wymondham (Suton)

Land at Eleven Mile Lane

0.67 Residential Development of approx. 18 dwellings, public open space, landscaping

 

 



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Julian Halls

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Busy peoples so herewith a summary

for Spooner row a total of 294 houses

and for Suton 918

Character of the villages completely destroyed and infrastructure:-  a shop? some allotments?  a school extension?  wetland habitat ( your back garden ), community area and a bigger railway car park !! All very vague promises as we experienced in the past except perhaps the flooding.

Do you not think that we should be doing something about this??

As evidenced yesterday the Planners do not give a stuff about Spooner row and from the past, the abject failure of their wonderful 'sound and legal'  Plan has royally shafted Suton



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Anonymous

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on a positive note, its not 6000 - 10000 houses. and i would quite like a shop, although i wonder if gulers lane is an appropriate spot, what with it being single track.

 

293 is the worst case scenario, in reality i would expect it to end up as closer to 100 over the next 10 years or so. is it really that bad? everywhere is having new houses. your house was new at one point remember....

 

how many would you accept?



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Anonymous

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We've already had 60 houses forced on us and we were assured it would be 15-20.

Don't believe them, it will never be "just" 293, more call for sites will be coming soon.  They have already decided that we are not suitable for small-scale development.



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Steven

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I can see the logic of your argument. However, I purchased a house entirely bordered by agricultural land to one side. I bought it believing the government's pledge to develop brown field sites. I bought it to see the seasons and the wildlife. I bought it for my son to grow up surrounded by nature. I bought it to belong to a local village community. Do you know how many houses are already in Spooner Row? 100 houses would be disproportionate to the size of the village and would entirely alter the character of the village. For that reason I would object to development on this scale.



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Anonymous

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I totally agree with you, and in a perfect world you would be right. But unfortunately we are constantly told that there is a housing shortage, that there is demand for new houses, that to keep a lid on house prices demand must be met.

The absolute only way that you can guarantee that your property will be surrounded by agricultural land is to purchase said land and farm it yourself. I am sorry to be so blunt, but this is the cold hard truth of the matter. When you purchase a property, you do not purchase the view which surrounds it.

You are fully able to object to proposals near you, but as it is local policy to build then you will unfortunately struggle.

Also, remember, it is not just the evil developers who wish to profit from our misery, it is actually mostly the greedy farmers and landowners who will have been planning this development cycle for DECADES, sitting on their pension pots. Take the land along school lane where the 7 houses are to be built, they have been planning this for at least 25 years that I know of, probably longer, this isn't a process where a farmer has just driven past in his tractor and the idea of popping a couple of houses on the field has suddenly occurred to him....

It is a pretty safe bet, that ANY land in or near the village boundary has a target on it, it is just a matter of when not if. Same for all of the land which follows the route of the old A11 from Hethersett through to the Stag in Attleborough...



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julian Halls

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Unfortunately there is a concept of Planning creep where outline numbers for new houses creep to a higher number at FINAL stage as recently evidenced in Spooner row and the Planners just think well it is not that much more, and we have a housing shortage so no problem.

More call for sites to happen I am sure and yes we need houses, BUT we need the infrastructure to support it.  Sharing a copper broadband line with another 300 houses will really slow you down. We need to widen all the roads leading to these houses. How are we going to deal with a stream/river running through the middle of a new estate? Where are the buses and the trains? Doctors already full and not enough around, School full and where is the extension glibly promised going to be built? On the WTC owned field perhaps so a reduction of green space AGAIN. Guilers lane is too narrow now..... I could go on.  

The real problem ids that South Norfolk ( along with every other District Council) want the bribe of money per house which is called the new homes initiative and the rate revenue.

What possible incentive is there to block and the mantra that we listen and are working with you is utter tosh. Localism (listening to what locals say and want)  is dead in the water. 



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Anonymous

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The problem with Spooner Row is that it was "upgraded" from a Rural Village to a Norwich Service Village under South Norfolk Council's Policy Area - hierarchy of towns and villages.  If you remember, this important adjustment was done without public consultation, it just appeared quietly on their document. The classification of a Norwich Service Village will be used by the forward Planners, landowners, Greater Norwich Local Plan (GNLP) as their right to develop this village in any way they want. They have shown us no respect before and there is no evidence this will change.



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Anonymous

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Localism relies on listening to local opinion, and if the best you can come up with is what you have listed, then it is easy to resolve and get planning

IF (and I promise I am not) but If I were the landowner, and you said to me, the only thing standing between me and £20M or what ever is the slow broadband, doctors spaces a narrow road and lack of busses, I would build a doctors surgery (which I would make money from), widen the road and give away ThinkingWisp subscriptions for a few years, I would subsidise First bus to re-route via the village ( as has happened in other places). The school being full isn't actually a problem, because it just means that when new places are allocated, more local kids will get in and the new applicants from Wymondham and Bunwell and so on will not get places. All boxes ticked.

 



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If I wanted to live in a highly developed location, then I would have moved to a town, not a rural village.  

going by your casual attitude to the problems we are having to put up with, you do not live in the village.



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Steven

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The argument that we need more houses so one must accept unrestricted dvelopment is frankly absurd. By that token we should expect to see the development of every open space in the country. Residents working together with supportive local government can protect our rural way of life. A way of life where we accept that we will have slower internet, fewer amenities and fewer services in exchange for a more tranquil way of living without being surrounded by large scale and unsustainable development. 



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Anonymous

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Well said, Steven.  Unfortunately, residents working with local government just doesn't work here.  It's more of a 'Stitch-up' or 'treat them like suckers'.  The only one who speaks out and puts effort into our predicament is Julain Halls and he is just a parish councillor with very limited power.  The real power is with the District Council (South Norfolk) when it comes to development. The only time political people take an interest in us is when it gets close to local elections when they make promises they do not keep.  County Council elections are due in May, what will they soon be offering?

Local government in Wymondham and South Norfolk is very much about toeing the dominant, party political line.  Small rural communities are not considered important enough.



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We moved to Spooner Row in 1988. We left behind us (we thought) a large estate of privately owned & Local Authority owned homes.

All we see now is the prospect of no longer living rurally, in fact, having more 'over view' from proposed housing than we had previously on one of the largest housing estates in Europe.

When are we going to get a meeting with the 'great and good' people who are supposed to represent us, as voters & inhabitants of this once peaceful village?



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Julian Halls

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As someone else mentioned it , there is a county council election coming up and I will be standing for the Wymondham seat most probably against Joe Mooney. I will be a Lib dem candidate BUT I have made it very clear at my selection interview that if there is an issue where it impacts badly on my area I will vote against no matter what my party says  or wants.

However the bad news is that Cromwells ward is in Forehoe so I will not be representing you here. Bob Mc clenning is the lib Dem candidate and well known in the Forehoe area whilst I am better known in Wymondham so this division makes sense , unlike the electoral areas which are truly stupid and do not coincide with anything . In the interests of balance I suspect that the Tory candidate for Forehoe will be Colin Foulger  and I genuinely do not know who the other(s) , if any candidates will be



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Anonymous

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I saw this in the paper: "Housing white paper to outline plans to ensure many more houses are built 'in the places that people want to live'.  Council will be ordered to build thousands of more homes, with an emphasis on high-rise blocks and city centre developments, as part of the government's housing strategy."

Maybe the GNLP/South Norfolk Council will now stop forcing their urbanisation of Spooner Row (without improvements to infrastructure) and instead, concentrate on Norwich as the new Government white paper specifies.



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Norfolk & Norwich hospital is in financial special measures with a deficit of millions of pounds.  It can't cope with double the number of patients it was built for 15 years ago, which was 60,000 back then. How does the GNLP intend to enable the hospital to facilitate the many thousands of extra people/patients they are planning to build houses for?



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Anonymous

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don't be silly you are assumimg joined up thinking. The Hospital was way too small from Day 1 and the y were told so, but ignored it , hence new car parks everywhere which cost a small fortune and they are not even blue badge friendkly a s full fee has to be apid. A  provate comapny runs them so they charge everybody , and no doubt they are heavily supported by some business loving Poltical party along the way.

Buses and unaffordable homes plus raods already overcrowded and barely able to cope. This is modern day profit driven , politically motivated Planning for you. 

 



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Anonymous

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Anonymous wrote:

We moved to Spooner Row in 1988. We left behind us (we thought) a large estate of privately owned & Local Authority owned homes.

All we see now is the prospect of no longer living rurally, in fact, having more 'over view' from proposed housing than we had previously on one of the largest housing estates in Europe.

When are we going to get a meeting with the 'great and good' people who are supposed to represent us, as voters & inhabitants of this once peaceful village?


 I really feel for you Anonymous.  You made the decision to move here for the rural life and now your immediate environment will be worse than the large housing estate you moved from 30 years ago. I agree this was a peaceful village and I, for one, am upset that this is being taken away from us.  Let's hope that the great and the good will explain themselves and start to be accountable for their decisions.   It is not just about the profit they make, it is people's way of life. 



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