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Post Info TOPIC: Row over Spooner Row website leaves parish council in chaos - EDP News
Christian Shadlock

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Row over Spooner Row website leaves parish council in chaos - EDP News
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Spooner Row Community Council features on the EDP website.

https://www.edp24.co.uk/news/23786872.row-spooner-row-website-leaves-parish-council-chaos/

A reporter from the EDP attended the Council meeting on Thursday and has made a news article about the goings-on within our council.

Christian Shadlock

 

 

Comment from Webstation:

Thank you, Christian, for posting the link to this interesting article from the EDP. It is well worth a read.

Cllr Robert Foster has defamed this Message Board by claiming it to be a "cesspit". I was given no right of reply by the EDP to explain this independent Message Board, which is moderated responsibly and with impartiality, and which has played a crucial role in our community for almost 20 years. Cllr Foster has only been a local councillor since 2019 when 'his' council website was set up. 

There is no whisper campaign or attacks aimed at Cllr Robert Foster on this independent forum as he claims. There is no justification for his expectation to manage this Message Board and control the local narrative. This is a free speech issue. Cllr Foster should be addressing the concerns of local residents rather than trying to control all routes of communication. Perhaps Cllr Foster should be more tolerant and less upset by what he considers to be negative comments, from residents who have genuine concerns about what is happening in their community, but which may not align with Cllr Foster's personal views or those of other council members.

For further information see the SRCC's Minutes: https://spoonerrow.activeboard.com/t69189998/minutes-srow-community-council-meetings-from-december-2022-t/

 

-- Comment added by webstation on Saturday 16th of September 2023 03:46:51 PM



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Anonymous

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Such a shame the council has come to this, it could have done so much for the community but constant arguing and not moving things forward due to one councillor has destroyed the council by the sounds of it. Hopefully something can be done to get them back on track. It looks like a complete shambles from the outside!  



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Anonymous

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Perfectly summed up by a response on twitter! 
- they really need to grow up. parish councils, if run properly, can be a real force for good in a community. 

I couldn’t agree more, why can’t we just move on and do something useful!! 



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Anonymous

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I find this message board very useful, especially when I'm away from home and its not a cesspit as the councillor fosater has stated.  The rogue councillor always seems to be at the heart of all the problems and the council needs to get their act together. This just makes local councils look a a joke.



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Anonymous

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I find it very hard to understand why the EDP gave no right of reply to explain the Spooner Row Message Board.   A reporter attends a council meeting, subsequently publishes an article in the EDP and yet there is no right to reply.    Are we in a democracy?    What has happened to free speech?   An authoritarian response by the EDP which is unacceptable.



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Anonymous

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Many thanks for letting me post on the board.

 

Comment from Webstation:

Thank you, Christian, for posting the link to this interesting article from the EDP. It is well worth a read.
Cllr Robert Foster has defamed this Message Board by claiming it to be a "cesspit". I was given no right of reply by the EDP to explain this independent Message Board, which is moderated responsibly and with impartiality.

 

I would agree, and I too was disappointed seeing this comment in the EDP Article. This message board has been and continues to be an asset to the Spooner Row community.
I've hesitated to use it because I'm not too keen on the 'anonymous' posting, so would agree somewhat with his position on this point only.

I regularly attend the council meetings as a member of the public and would urge others to do the same so that they can experience first-hand what goes on.

 

Comment from Anonymous:

Perfectly summed up by a response on twitter!
- they really need to grow up. parish councils, if run properly, can be a real force for good in a community.

A person could come to the opinion that we don't really have a working council anymore. It was originally seven councillors that were elected.
If you exclude the one co-opted member on the board currently, we are now down to only three councillors present that were democratically elected by us that you could ask to 'grow up'.

  • Cllr Sue Hewitson (Chair and also member of the Village Hall Committee)
  • Cllr John Morton
  • Cllr Robert Foster

As a point of interest, if you examine the election leaflet that was distributed (a copy of this leaflet is shown on the EDP Webpage) you will see that the community are instructed to vote only for Foster and Morton.
This is so that 'The truth will come out' and that the council should not be under the control of the Village Hall committee. (The idea that a voluntary village group should want to control the council is nonsense in my opinion).

I know Sue feels that she is being continuously attacked in the meetings (if I may, I intend to post a further message on this board detailing this within the forthcoming week).
Should she resign because she cannot continue, then the leaflet (and the writer of it) will have achieved their aims.

The fact that two men cannot run a council intended for seven participants is of no consequence it seems.

Christian Shadlock



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Anonymous

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Do we really want just two men operating the council who dislike the village hall, dislike the message board and by the looks of things can't work with other council participants? What a shambles!



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Anonymous

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The EDP report reminded us all of the Foster and Morton election leaflet complaining about the village hall committee wanting to control the council which caused division in the village. Think about it, who is it that really wants to control the council? Both are now on the council. We need the Chair more than ever to hold her ground and remain in place. 

Many months later, Stephen Ward's resignation statement still applies. What a great shame we lost such a capable and sensible founding councillor because of this continued pettiness.  

https://spoonerrow.activeboard.com/t69246178/cllr-stephen-wards-statement-read-out-to-the-community-counc/

 



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Stephen Ward

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In my recent voluntary role as the Responsible Financial Officer for the Council, which I continued to undertake post leaving the Council in May until last week's meeting, I have observed the proceedings of the majority of the Council meetings since the new Council formed. I would therefore like to make the following observation, that Cllr John Moreton has been a model Cllr. He has listened to other’st perspectives and put balanced points into debates.

 

Unfortunately, and unwittingly, he has been associated with Cllr Foster, predominantly due to the pre-election leafletting, which in my understanding Cllr Moreton was not fully aware of their content or the use of his name before distribution, which again I believe he was not part of. I would not wish him therefore to be tarred with the same brush on this message board as Cllr Foster.

 



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Anonymous

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Are you sure about that ?!



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Owen Sennitt

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Hello Webstation.

 

I'm Owen Sennitt, the reporter who wrote the Spooner Row story.

 

It would be great to speak with you and share your point of view in regard to the Spooner Row messageboard. 

 

My email is owen.sennitt@newsquest.co.uk if you would be able to get in touch.

I look forward to hearing from you,

Owen

 

 

Comment from Webstation:

Thank you Owen for contacting the Message Board. I will be in touch today.

-- Reponse by webstation on Monday 18th of September 2023 10:14:39 AM



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Andy

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This message board is not a “ Cesspit ” as Mr Foster refers it to it is the only way people of the community can vent their frustration and anger on the subject of a councillor who has his own agenda and has nothing positive to say about the Village Hall Committee or the community as a whole .There doesn’t seem any external support from the likes of South Norfolk etc in dealing with crazy situation so where else would the community go?

 

(Thank you Andy for your kind words of support.

Webstation)


-- Reply by webstation on Monday 18th of September 2023 03:30:15 PM



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Anonymous

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Bearing in mind that he cllr Foster marginally scrapped in I think its time the community asks for his resignation,  let the council reform. I think you'd all be pleasantly surprised at the difference that'll be made without the councillor (......edited...)



-- Edited by webstation on Tuesday 19th of September 2023 07:35:25 AM



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Anonymous

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The article says Clr Foster had access to his colleague's emails. What about their privacy when undertaking council business or private email conversations with the public? It took South Norfolk Council to make them aware of this setup. I thought data protection was there to prevent this type of thing?



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Another EDP article

 https://www.wymondhamandattleboroughmercury.co.uk/news/23797102.spooner-row-messageboard-hits-back-cesspit-claims/

 

 

Comment from Webstation in response to today's EDP post:

To stop the division on the Council which has now spread elsewhere, Cllr Foster should provide his fellow colleagues with the codes to operate the Council's website, after all our precept pays for this feature and it is not owned by Cllr Foster.

Cllr Foster claims if he allows the Council to have the codes it will "attack" him with anonymous posts like the message board. Has Cllr Foster forgotten that the Council website does not have an anonymous feature so he is talking nonsense and therefore has no excuse not to provide the essential codes to others. Using the message board anonymous feature as his excuse for withholding the password is a distraction from the real reason he is not sharing.

It is strange that Cllr Foster hates the anonymous feature so much when he has told others that he uses it himself.

Describing the message board as a "cesspit" says more about Cllr Foster than anything else. Insulting members of this community who have contributed to this message board and implying their contribution as "cesspit" is pathetic. We need a higher calibre of councillor to serve this parish and put the community first rather than someone who seeks personal drama and division.

 

-- response by webstation on Tuesday 19th of September 2023 11:29:28 AM



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Christian Shadlock

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Fair right of reply.

It is quite amusing to me that, at the last council meeting, Cllr Foster suggested to 'not shoot the messenger' when he was telling the group of the opinions given by members of other councils.
But when it comes to this message board he attacks it as 'Cesspit'.

Maybe he should start taking note of the opinions of the Spooner Row residents that he is meant to represent rather than 'shooting the messenger' of them.

Mr Foster renewed his criticism, however . . .
I have seen a whisper campaign against me and the attacks on the forum are ongoing" he said.

How many more councillors resigning naming him directly as the cause of them leaving is it going to take?
(None of these councillors will be replaced, by the way. Who would want to volunteer their time and effort freely, only to face such negativity?)
How much more public money is going to be wasted in retraining new councillors and to the Clerk's paid time in dealing with this mess?
What exactly did he expect?

Christian Shadlock

 



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Christian Shadlock wrote:

Fair right of reply.

It is quite amusing to me that, at the last council meeting, Cllr Foster suggested to 'not shoot the messenger' when he was telling the group of the opinions given by members of other councils.
But when it comes to this message board he attacks it as 'Cesspit'.

 


 Why would Cllr Foster read out opinions given by members of other councils? Why would he seek to do that? What has Spooner Row got to do with them anyway? This looks like someone is trying to spread division further and wider with more negative slurring.

This is looking more and more like attention-seeking to get noticed.



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Anonymous

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I think it's worthwhile reinforcing a few points so Spooner Row residents are really clear about this.

In Cllr Foster's remarks in referring to the Community Council's website that he was instrumental in setting up, but now has sole control over.

I was not going to give up control of the website without proper assurances that certain individuals would not turn it into a cesspit like the Spooner Row message board had become,”

Two important points:

1) This 'Denial of website access' fiasco originally happened in February of this year. At that time there was no mention of the reason(s) why he would release control over the website.
This is brand new information. He's never mentioned this before. He would not give a reason when asked at that time.

2) The website was created for use by our Council,  for the benefit of Spooner Row residents and (most importantly) was paid for using public money . . . YOUR money.

IT'S NOT HIS TO REFUSE TO GIVE UP!

And, as was mentioned by recently co-opted Cllr Phlip Price in the last meeting, it certainly isn't his to refuse to give up just because he has an issue with Free Speech.

Who does he think he is???
What opinion does he think residents are going to have over this sort of behaviour???


The second point is more for honesty.

Comment by Webstation in the news article :
"The messageboard does not attack him, and he has the opportunity to respond to any comments posted about his behaviour.

In fairness, Councillors have been requested not to reply to, or post articles on this message board so he doesn't have that opportunity.
Whether he/they are doing this under a pseudonym or using the anonymous tag is unknown.

Christian Shadlock

 

 

(Dear Christian,

Thank you for your post. Just to clarify your last point, it is anonymous messages only that the Council has a policy not to respond. Posts put forward by named individuals such as Cllr Stephen Ward, other Councillors can reply and have done so. The late Cllr Halls was a regular contributor to doing this. I often remind Cllr Foster that he has a right to reply, that is only fair.

Webstation)

-- Reply by webstation on Tuesday 19th of September 2023 02:08:22 PM



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Richard

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What has happened with our council is truly despicable. For it to survive and prosper, one of two things has to happen. Firstly, Cllr Foster resigns. This will certainly lead to the return of a number of those councillors who resigned as a direct result of his behaviour, or second, the council is completely disbanded and a new election is called – let’s face it, the current council bears no resemblance to what the electorate voted for.

Something has to happen sooner rather than later.



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taxpayer

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Councillor Robert Foster needs to give the council the codes to run its website with immediate effect.  If not, then all expenditures for creating a new website should be invoiced to him. Why should we, the taxpayers of Spooner Row, Suton, and Wattlefield pay for his immaturity and unwillingness to work as part of a team?

If he doesn't pay then I hope the council collects what is due to us via the Small Claims Court.



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Andy

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Perhaps it’s about time to ask the members of the community what they want i.e. the councillor Foster issue , projects , promoting the CC etc



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Anonymous

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Perhaps a few of us taxpayers should attend the next meeting and ask that the website funded by our money be handed back

to the community??! And maybe ask for a resignation at the same

time. If he really values the community he is in the council for he should listen to our requests. 



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Bewildered resident

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It is interesting that the factious situation on the community council has caught the attention of the EDP. I read on here that a resident is going to post the council's meetings on YouTube for more insights into what is going on https://spoonerrow.activeboard.com/t69889553/resignation-letter-from-cllr-andrews-abuse-directed-towards-/  we need to know how the council represents us.

It's a bit much that Cllr Foster bitterly resents this forum and bitterly resents residents discussing the state of the council or other things. Who does he think he is?



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The second YouTube video has been uploaded, I have just listened to it and would encourage others to do so as well. The council have now lost the RFO, again due to Robs behaviour. the whole 30 minutes (that everyone had voluntarily given their time up for) is rob complaining about the word exemplary being used to describe the audit, claiming there are issues but not really putting anything forward apart from the fact he is spitting his dummy out because one of his proposals didn’t get through. it sounds like the RFO and others would be happy to stay in the council if Rob left, he really needs to go. 



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Spooner row resident

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12558189/Small-village-left-disarray-explosive-row-erupts-councillors-controls-parish-website-sparking-mass-resignations-100-000-community-funds-hold-police-probe.html

it’s now in the daily Mail with Councillor foster claiming he paid for the website, is this true? 



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Karen

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When the new council commenced, I seem to remember that Cllr Foster arranged for a resident to help him create a council website and it was all for free. The resident was given a £100 (or thereabouts) gift for a meal by the council. Cllr Foster purchased the website domain name before the council was aware, but it was passed at a later meeting to use that name.  When the council agreed to the website it was with the understanding that the website was set up for the benefit of the council and not for an individual councillor. I attended the first few meetings.

The website running costs may or may not be reimbursed.



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